Proton 的轉向並非由 AI 造成

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It wasn't AI that flipped Proton's charge (raed.dev) 70 points by Raed6671 hour ago | hide | past | favorite | 26 comments help Shank15 minutes ago | next[–] > Beyond the clumsiness, it shows a leadership that now treats the constraints that made Proton worth paying for as the thing slowing it down. Exactly. The product is security and privacy. The thing being sold is that. If anyone could justify being slower to pentest, it is Proton. I do wonder who would be demanding that Proton move faster. Would any user of their service ask them to sacrifice these attributes? reply cyanydeez3 minutes ago | parent | next[–] I hazard a better reasoning: The walled garden made it's users too valueable to not sell out to whatever forces it can find. Apple is deeply in this camp; all it takes is one MBA's desire for bonuses to break the damn. Corporations in unregulated waters are only as solid as the last captain. reply Morromist13 minutes ago | prev | next[–] "For most companies, trading some caution for speed is a reasonable call. Proton is a privacy company, though, and what its users pay for is the confidence that the people building it are careful. Shipping slowly and carefully is part of what they’re selling" This is the core of it for me. There are many, maaany companies that don't want to be what they are. For example: Meta doesn't want to be a social media company - so it lets facebook rot, makes 10% of its total revenue from scammers advertising to its customers, which seem to mostly be vulnerable old people and focuses on VR and AI. I guess Proton is having that same problem. I don't really want to be part of that though. reply gruez8 minutes ago | parent | next[–] >Meta doesn't want to be a social media company - so it lets facebook rot, makes 10% of its total revenue from scammers advertising to its customers, which seem to mostly be vulnerable old people and focuses on VR and AI. Are you just going to ignore the rest of advertising that isn't "scammers advertising to its customers", and makes up the overwhelming majority of their revenue? reply HelloUsername18 minutes ago | prev | next[–] Related: "Manifestos, Fear, and 'Loser Thinking': Inside Proton's AI Reckoning" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50289692 90 comments "Proton goes all in on using AI" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50296602 117 comments "Proton to 'Re-Interview' Staff About AI to See Who Gets to Keep Their Job" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50251062 48 comments "Proton's CEO Cancels AI 'Re-Interviews" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50307183 254 comments reply jamesblonde13 minutes ago | prev | next[–] This just confirms to me that the devs who are furthest from users (platform and security folks) are still in denial about AI for coding. The idea that they continue to react to security and privacy threats by relying on hand-crafted code is ostrich-like denial of the reality of daily security breaches at much larger, better resourced companies. AI is a tool - like a compiler or a pen-testing tool or maybe like an uber-tool that can do all those things and more. It's not hard. 24 hours - put your best pentester against GLM-5.3 abliterated (host locally, so there's no data leakage to LLM providers). You know who will win and it won't even be close. reply Ozzie_osman16 minutes ago | prev | next[–] What is it about AI psychosis that makes leaders act like assholes? I'm a technical co-founder. I definitely think that me and my team need to push ourselves to rethink how we work. Sometimes I have to push top-down, but I'd rather this happen in a measured way that's a combination of bottoms-up and top-down. reply sevenzero15 minutes ago | parent | next[–] Leaders acting like assholes is not an AI phenomena reply lokar11 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] I see it as before leaders were assholes in a variety of random ways. Now they are synchronized reply derefr0 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] Presumably the same effect that made every fashion designer decide simultaneously to put the players they were sponsoring in pink shoes during the recent World Cup. Ask AI (roughly) the same question; get (roughly) the same answer. Ozzie_osman2 minutes ago | root | parent | prev | next[–] AI psychosis + "founder mode". Deadly combo. reply docflabby5 minutes ago | root | parent | prev | next[–] Because it consistantly tells narcissists what they want to hear. Before there were other voices of reason but these all get drowned out... reply w182714 minutes ago | prev | next[–] Has their honeypot money dried up due to USAID cuts? reply Mistletoe27 minutes ago | prev | next[–] > an engineer asked for a few days to pentest new code before shipping it, and CEO Andy Yen answered that it was “bullshit and loser thinking” Wow my first exposure to Andy Yen shouldn’t have been this one. I’m seeing a loser here and it’s not the engineer… reply Avicebron15 minutes ago | parent | next[–] It's a really bad look, I saw that Proton issued some sort of half-baked apology. But nothing from Andy. reply blue_sauce_bean3 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] There's a half-baked apology posted to reddit by Andy's account: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xjo8d4/a_messa... (I don't know his writing style, so I have no idea if this is actually written by him or just posted by him.) reply Fordec2 minutes ago | root | parent | prev | next[–] Yeah, I don't care what the social media account manager's crisis management position is, I care about the direction the company is being steered in and the person doing the steering. reply georgemcbay9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next[–] > Wow my first exposure to Andy Yen shouldn’t have been this one. I’m seeing a loser here and it’s not the engineer… Yeah, I have no horse in the race as a non-user of Proton, but even if you completely removed AI from the situation entirely, if I worked for a CEO that ever used the term "loser thinking" non-sarcastically that would be enough to get me looking for another job. And if I were a customer, get me looking for another provider. reply ArcHound32 minutes ago | prev | next[–] I'm a security guy. I know a lot of these privacy-minded folks. They are not the types to accept enshittification and they are the types to read these news. As soon as they discover something else, they're off. Good luck proton. reply 112358132120 minutes ago | parent | next[–] There's still a pipeline of them coming to Proton from Google and Microsoft, with about as little research as when they decide to leave Proton. reply trvz16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next[–] Proton has always been a sham. Their users may be privacy-minded, but not privacy-competent. reply HappyPanacea2 minutes ago | root | parent | next[–] Please teach us your ways privacy guru (no, really) (also make it convenient and easy to use) reply gostsamo20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next[–] yep, Proton is in the business of trust as a service. Surprised that they think differently. reply ORDINAND_PIZZA19 minutes ago | prev | next[3 more] [flagged] malfist15 minutes ago | parent | next[–] I don't use any of Elon'd products. But why bring him up here?. Nobody was talking about Elon reply ORDINAND_PIZZA1 minute ago | root | parent | next[–] i thought this was a post about abandoning a product based upon the actions of its CEO. that’s how i read it. then i thought about other controversial CEOs from great product companies (like Musk) and i wanted to raise the question of when it’s right to abandon those great products because of what their leaders have done i have a starlink, it’s a really really good product. thanks for asking why and helping me understand how my comment may have been read differently. i appreciate it and will consider this moment when posting here again. reply IronWolve24 minutes ago | prev[–] I thought it was more, devs refused to use AI that caused the ceo to respond (in a bad way) I agree, you cant just let AI take over critical projects, but to not use AI, is just letting the bad guys use AI against you. Its a tool, use the tool, make the tool work for you. reply Consider applying for YC's Winter 2027 batch! 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